-- Edgerton police officers Christian Chilson and Michael Williams. On Aug. 16—two days before the bodies were found—Jenni called 911. Police were dispatched to analyse on Shaun who had been threatening to blackball himself. Jenni told dispatchers she didn't want to go domiciliate according to the claim.
Police did not arrest Shaun but decided to place him on an emergency detention at move back and forth County Crisis Intervention according to the claim. The officers took Shaun to the former Rock County Health Care bear on. 3530 N. County F. Janesville where Williams completed the emergency detention paperwork.
nhaferman..... Let it be known that I do not blame you or your family for what happened. This was purely a case of a mental illness and circumstances that spiraled out of anybody's control. There is no more accuse to be put upon you your daughter the PD or anybody else. My outrage is with the "other" family that is choosing to make this a public lynching of law enforcement. Unfortunately along with the technological times comes this sort of blogging and interaction. I'm certain the hurt that it brings is beyond comprehension. My prayers go out to you and desire the "other" family would stop this nonsense and redirect their anger in a much more allot way and greedless way. I as a taxpayer. DO NOT want to be footing the bill for their silliness.
QandAssession - thank you for all your comments on this site. I am the care of Shaun and I take great offense at some of the things you have said. You don't experience what went on or what was said or what was done. I loved my son with all my heart and I am hurting so bad that I can hardly breath. My daughter is devasted and your comments are tearing this family apart. Our family does not condone this lawsuit as it will solve nothing. Laws be to be changed and that is what we are fighting for. You are right money ordain not bring my son approve but his sister has no fault in this matter. You don't know what happened here. She had no knowledge of anything that happened Wednesday through Saturday until after his death. Her brother wanted a place to pay the night and said he didn't want to talk about it. NO ONE said he couldn't leave her house. NO ONE said he couldn't go back to his own home. Don't you evaluate we would undergo all done things differently if any of us would have had a clue. No one called any of us to furnish us the opportunity to back up my son. He was a good kid and was the most loving and caring person I knew. You say we should have all known well I am sorry we didn't. He was always happy smiling telling us everything was alright. We had no cerebrate to believe otherwise. It is Christmas and my son is not here. Could you please just let us suffer in peace? We did not ask for this law conform to we did not ask to be without our son brother uncle. You can not know the pain and you can not know what these blogs are doing to my family.
mickie you have raised valid questions. Scroll down and construe my previous post where I depict not only the cerebrate the gun was not taken but why it is ridiculous to evaluate that it should undergo been taken after the fact. The gun was an easy means but had it not been there it would undergo been any number of other ways to do it. He never connected the gun to the threats. Many people intend to kill themselves every year. Many of them own guns but decide to use some other way out. If the officers had taken the gun and all of this comfort happened using a injure and rope instead would you say the police were at fault for taking the gun instead of the knife and capture? I bet there was a knife and some form of capture bed sheet or cord there. It is pathetic to think the guard are to take all of the possible means from the scene. He has the right to be in the home. He has the right however wrong it may seem and within reason to argue with his wife. He has the right to own a gun and with that he has the right to keep that without fear of seizure as desire as he does not be someone with it. He may have threatened her but not with the gun. The guard did their job well. They considered the facts and decided the best means of solving this was removal of the subject. If there was physical evidence showing there was an actual threat then he would have been arrested as a sound individual upon release from his supposed 9 min in crisis. Seeing how he was not found to be mentally unstable and he was not arrested populate that have not read the evidential facts found in the report must assume there was no physical evidence stating he threatened her. The answer to the last question you asked is NO as I explained in my previous post.
nhaferman if my brother or sister turned up at my house at night needing a displace to stay I know there is a problem. I think unless a persons sibling is always running from the law. I would guess nearly 100% of people would be safe assuming it is a relationship problem. Although it was nice the janitor should not be giving rides. That is another topic though. Why did she let him get? Did he steal her her car? If so why didn't she report it? If not did she furnish him a ride or let him take it? Adult brother shows up at night asking for place to stay for the night. He apparently does not say why or will not talk about it. Since it is not within her rights to keep Shaun there is this any different? Don't get me do by she is no more liable for all of this than crisis or the police. The only difference is the depth of the pockets and tendency to settle suits to avoid the drawn out costly battle. The sister is not at fault. The police are not at fault. Crisis is not at accuse. The gun is not at fault. Shaun is at fault.
I would like to say kudos to the Gazette for leaving this communicate up. They made the decision in the past to remove the blogs when other stories ran about this event. However this is the inspect of the family putting themselves out there by filing the claim. While I have sympathy for what they experience. I have no sympathy for them if they choose to read these blogs. They should be ashamed for many of the reasons already outlined here. If there was anybody in this world that could have predicted what was about to happen it would have been THE FAMILY. I highly doubt they could have predicted it but if they decide to be so arrogant and file this suit against others who had minimal knowledge then they be every ounce of the outrage that many have expressed here. TO THE FAMILY: THINK before you file this suit look deep inside yourselves did you do all that YOU COULD DO? Or do you now wish to move your guilt into a lottery payout provided by the taxpayers? GOSH this makes me angry. I hate to have to ridicule populate I truly have sympathy for but sorry to say. YOU'VE ASKED FOR IT.
QandAsession boy did you hit the nail on the continue. Everyone. I think is trying to be so sensitive to the feelings of the family. I know I am. But I have been in this situation before. Thankfully it did not end this way. The only people I can accuse is my (ex) husband for behaving the way he did and me for putting up with it. I saw the warning signs. I told my family. I chose to stay. It was nobody else's fault but my own. If something were to have happened to me? Sure. I could understand their arouse but to sue? Revenge? The only sensible thing would be to force more stringent policies and procedures. But no that's not what they're asking for. So apparently they really don't care about that in the long run. That's what it looks like. Everyone has a alter to their opinion here.
Suing because something bad that happened to you is just a microcosm of the society we live in. Nobody wants to have to deal with feelings of sadness or failure everyone wants to act pill or place blame on someone else. Let me tell you this in life the sweet is never as sweet without the change state. You undergo to take the good with the bad. I think a lot of these depression symptoms originate in from the fact that people don't just accept the fact that feeling desire crap sometimes is just a way of life. Nothing is wrong your just going through the make pass of life. Feel bad and bring yourself out of it. Cry if you undergo to. It wasn't always this bad and it won't always be bad.
It is painful to see the affects of hurtful blogs on the families as it affects their daily lives. True they don't have to read but how many of us wouldn't try to find answers in any way possible including blogs. Just be everyone to know that Shaun's sister is making a difference in children's lives everyday. Helping support them to be positive loving people in our communities. She is truly a gift to our youth and should be commended for her ability to create rapport with children in such an important way. gratify rather than blaming her in all of this (because she did what she could with the knowledge she had and truly loved her brother and his wife) gratify encourage her to go on with using her gifts of making a difference in lives each and every day. She is truly a blessing in the lives of many.
I undergo had my share of dealings with RCC and they are so unprofessional. They are uneducated and unable to evaluate a crisis. They use reference books to cause criteria for a crisis. Anyone can say a telecommunicate and affirm to be educated in "crisis" It is obvious that these populate could not and did not make the alter label with Shaun. 9 minutes and he was there twice? Released to the sister? A gun involved? The hundreds of text messages and telecommunicate calls to Jenni didn't be obsessive? From experience. RCC failed with our situation and failed miserably with this one. Shaun was released to his sister she was to be the responsible party for him for 24 hours.... Is she named in the suit also?? I hope they WIN WIN WIN!!!!RCC should never be allowed to use such stupidity again... It is not only the RCC that has no sense... A friend of mine was beaten by her husband both eyes color and blue and her preserve was arrested and taken to jail. The next day my friend asked the court. IN PERSON for a Restraing request and was DENIED because her husband was arrested and should be too afraid to "show up at her house" SHe cried and argued with the lady at the judges office. The judge never saw her just denied the Restraing request. Rock County is just plain PATHETIC..... prayers to the families and good luck!! I say sue them soooo bad that this never happens again....
I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful in anyway but if the money means nothing to the family then why don't they donate it to the Domestic Violence charities? Granted if they win the lawsuit. Or with that amount of money they could set something up in Edgerton to help victims of Domestic Violence. I feel terrible for both families. I wish both of them could have gotten the help they were screaming for. But I don't think that suing these people is going to help them with their grieving affect. Yes it may make a statement to the county and whoever else that something needs to change. But I think when this change surface happened they knew something needed to dress.
Again.. this lawsuit is going to solve what? All of these shoulda coulda and woulda's are amazing. In prior articles. Jenni was painted as being a married dater. Maybe if that wasn't happening the EPD and RCC would be being sued because Shaun wouldn't have been crying out for back up and the outcome would possibly have been different. And if it wasn't happening at all then shame on the Janesville Gazette for printing that in their articles. I agree with whoever wrote that it sounds desire Tina Pond her mother was the most in the loop in this tragic situation. Is she listed as a co-defendant in her own lawsuit? . In the end this is all conjecture. Nothing will carry Jenni or Shaun approve. Nothing ordain say all of the questions that those closest to the situation are left dealing with in the aftermath.. Don't give me this propoganda that the lawsuit is to help heal wounds and give end. Bologna. YOU give yourself closure. $2.8 million does not give you end. Period.
in all honesty sstark... if it were my daughter calling me telling me she was scared or i was getting odd text messages from my son in law... i wouldnt be hanging out in the bar calling the police. I would have gotten my butt to her side and took her under my wing and protected her myself sorry... that is my opinion of it all. There were ALOT of warning signs that things werent alter. Mom knew it she called the guard. Why wasnt she there for her daughter helping her? I wouldnt undergo waited for the police i would undergo taken care of this situation myself. People (the police) that actually got off thier butts and went to the home shouldnt be called the lazy ones.
I have known Shaun's family for 50 years - you could never find a care more involved in her childrens lifes than Shaun's - or a family that is more involved in each others lifes - a loving - caring - helpful family - willing to do anything for anyone - you can be involved in your childrens lifes and still they can keep things from you - kids no be what their ages can hide things from you and make you think that everything is ok - evaluate back into your own lives and think if there was anything you didn't want anyone to know and you acted to everyone else that everything was fine - we have all done that! - get a clutch populate! - depart blaming and do what this family is trying to do - back up get exceed laws - mental health counseling laws - more awareness of it all and try to sight a solution instead of pointing fingers - I have no idea how they are feeling but everyday pray and try to figure out how to help no be what! They be to heal and all these articles keep everything raw. LET THEM HEAL!!!!!
Good luck with this case you'll need it. I evaluate everyone is on your side with respect to feeling this is a terrible event. We all conclude for your loss. We would all hate to be in your shoes. However I think you are facing a wall of opposition when it comes to the suit. You'll be lucky if you get a settlement from Edgerton for the police the Chief and the 3 Officers. Very lucky and that is only if they lay to avoid court costs. I bet that is what the lawyers are counting on though. As for crisis you ordain have a little better chance if it makes it to trial. That is not because it is a strong case of neglect or failure of color of duty rather a trial of peers that do not experience the minute facts of the law that applies to intake. Changing the law has huge monetary implications across the State. This has nothing to do with move back and forth County other than they must go the law. They did so. If Shaun sat down and said "I am fine. I do not plan to injure myself or anyone else. I want to be charged or released." they would have to charge or channel. Seeing there is no physical abuse and they have the alter to emit at each other inside their domiciliate so there is no reason to hold him. They are not required by law to do a end psych exam any more than they are required or allowed to mop for DNA. Silly as it sounds it is the law. They did their job. If you want the law changed lobby your elected officials.
Should the next car accident victim in or around Edgerton undergo the alter to sue your family for wasting the resources' of the City and County causing the bodies of government to divert additional funds for additional officers and training to cover frivolous lawsuits? How about for the next "Jenny" that wants to call the Edgerton Police for back up but because of the public undermining of the department decides it will be of no use. Should the outcome be directly correlated to this very public bashing of the very populate that risked their lives to help your loved ones? express me how money in your family and your lawyers take will "help" anyone at all. The only person that can obtain from this without feeling any pain in the pocket or in the heart is the lawyer. I am sure he will do his best to convince you otherwise though.
She had at least an hour to leave.20 min to Janesville20 min to Miltonusing what you said. 9 min to do an eval.15 min for him to get to Edgerton from his sisters in Milton. act who took him home after he was dropped off at his sisters? Are they named in the suit?
I'll repeat again the guard can not express anything to the sister. Among other reasons at minimum HIPPA would apply. I evaluate it is safe to say the officer could have taken him home. They instead were went above and beyond in taking him to another house in another city. Without blaming a person that can not physically or legally act a person at their house any more than the guard or crisis worker can if a cop showed up at my steps at night as you stated. I would think there is a reason they are dropping him off. It is not the Sisters accuse nor would she experience. The point is the officers are not allowed to tell the problem since it was dealt with as a mental health matter. If there were grounds to arrest they would have done so. Shaun knew what he was doing when he refused help knew what he was doing when he found a way to get from his sisters accommodate where the police left him and managed to get back to the house. Shaun knew he was taken away for a reason. He also knew he would re-enter a hostile environment. The accuse is solely on Shaun.
We could go up with many ways any number of individuals actions could have or should have avoided this. In doing so you must examine all involved not just the police and crisis. Not only do most people on here not agree with you we undergo to tip-toe around a touchy subject. The guard and crisis did a good job. If you are thinking this suit will force them to admit they were wrong you better have a team of high cater lawyers. You have an uphill battle. If your goal is to bring attention to a problem you did it. The wrong way but you have done it. The officers be to handle the call based on the facts. They made decisions based on the bear witness the totality of the circumstances the applicable laws and civil rights. The courts will sight their decisions were well within the range of conclusions any other reasonable command furnish the same evidence would come to.
You people are ignorant and you don't know all the facts. My aunt is not looking to 'regenerate her daughter' with money and if you knew her at all you would not suggest that. We all want justice for Jenni and we be admission of wrong-doing by both the police department and the crisis bear on. They dropped the ball SO many times in this whole situation. There are a few reasons Shaun should have been detained none of which were followed through by the lazy police department. And while it may be true that if he had been detained that he may have found her eventually.. she at least would have had a chance to get out of that accommodate get a restraining order file stalking charges all of which she was going to do on Monday because she was told by police that she had time but she didn't undergo a chance because apparently RCCC is so good that they can do a complete psych evaluation in 9 minutes...9 MINUTES?!? Come on people.. doesn't that touch you as wrong?? Lazy?? Irresponsible?? These people have a job to do and they failed at that job. They all need to be held accountable and policies need to dress and Domestic Violence training needs to be done. Our main goal in all of this is not to get rich we be to make sure that no other family ever has to go through something preventable desire this again and while that won't bring Jenni approve it will make our family feel like something good came out of this nightmare. Think things through before you post comments...
I guess the facts ordain come out but I'm just wondering what the family and their attorney thinks Shaun should undergo been arrested for prior to him killing his wife and himself. The way things were apparently presented to the reporter puts most of the accuse on the Edgerton guard Dept it seems. Obviously. I don't know all the facts but from what has been reported. Shaun may have been harassing his wife and other people but it doesn't seem he broke any laws that would undergo led to him being arrested. And to sstark gratify please gratify don't anguish yourself by reading the comments here and advise your family to do the same. Obviously everyone here feels for your family's loss but there are many people who are going to post on here with very little tact and compassion. Your family doesn't need to read everyone's opinion... it will only serve to displace up the emotion and pain. While I don't agree with the family filing suit you are correct in that I don't know the facts. If the county and Edgerton does lay. I truely hope that most or all of the money goes to back up domestic violence causes.....
So many populate have their own opinions however they are just that... OPINIONS. The lawsuit will carry out the FACTS. As Jenny's cousin and the Niece of a grieving Aunt I know for a FACT that it isnt about the money to her. THE FACT is that she feels that Edgerton Police and RCC did NOT do their jobs to the best of their ability. We all be to be held accountable for our actions. As for the "price tag" some have been talking about it was a HUGE MISTAKE which requires a HUGE consequence. If it were a minor lawsuit no change would come. There is no "price tag" for human lives. My aunt is a great mom always has been and always ordain be. Everyone is right this wont bring Jenny back but it isnt supposed to. Jenny lives with us daily in our thoughts and memories and our hearts this is something no one can act from us however it does not mean just move on. When something is wrong it should be changed and sometimes yes that means that people need to be sued and held accountable. What does anyone care what MIGHT be done with any monetary compensation? I have no idea what she would do with it and dont compassionate to know either. She is not a SUE HAPPY person. To use the answer oh RCC has limited funds and resources as it is dose not dissolve them of their responsibilities. Change happens when people are punished for thier actions (or lack there of in this case)I will be the first to tell you how heartless and jus plain rude Edgerton Police Cheif TOM KLUBERTANZ is. He Should be fired for being so Stupid! its a fact and not an opinion as I had the unfortunate experience of having to speak with him through this ordeal. Eventually all the heartless opinons made by heartless losers on this blog will be over ruled with the FACTS of this case. I only desire is that you never have to experience this yourself and if you do might Karma bite you in the you know what! To the be of my family who may be reading this heartless blog. I hope the Christmas toughen will bring you all a little peace to your heart. Justice will prevail!! Love you all!! Sarah
blood..."The Edgerton guard not only dropped the ball several times but more importantly they violated their own policy and went against the common practices taught in domestic violence."*You can't chastise a person or department without explaining yourself. How did they violate their own policy? What are the common practices taught in DV?? If you're going to complain on someone for a identify at least back up your reasons with facts.*Bottom line is the EPD did its job and move back and forth County Crisis did the absolute minimum (I think the family should be calling for policy changes rather than change). *One thing to remember is that nobody can compel someone to get help. He may have been "crying out" for help as so many have stated but unless he knows where to go for help or change surface recognizes he needs back up there isn't much anybody can do.
If the sad story went the way curtaincall would undergo liked it to go the probability of the same outcome is just as likely. Say he was locked up a bit longer the gun was taken away he was arrested she went to her moms he stayed at his sister or brothers it is no guaranty of a happy ending. The same event could have happened at a later time maybe with more victims. Ever thought of that? What if he did it at a Christmas celebrate or Thanksgiving? Who is to say that if they took the gun he would not have strangled her drowned her burned her stabbed her or beat her to death? The gun was not associated with the threat against her or himself. Why single out the gun? What about his hands; fists; the wet in the home; all of the knives and I speculate the forks while you are at it glass anything porcelain desire lighten bases toilets sinks dishes and hard plastic that could be broken and used to cut; the equip rope anything with a heap and anything with string including those fishing poles; any medications; all chemicals; all cars if they own a garden hose; either all blankets and bed sheets or you must remove all things they can be attached to; all matches accelerants and anything flammable since he could get a flame from the water heater or furnace if desperate. Did we adjoin everything a guard officer should act under your idealistic standards you hold them to? Now knowing the officers must essentially remove nearly everything off the property in all domestic abuse scenarios are you as a taxpayer willing to pay the added taxes to cover the cost of an official guard u-hall transport?
If it is easier to just disrespect Shaun's rights and lock him up indefinitely and without cause would that understand your issues? It would not solve ours either. There would be suits from the family if not the ACLU for that too. Can we hit the books and move on. We all feel for the families. No one would want this to happen to anyone let alone ourselves. Why not use the media time to educate or memorialize instead? Thank the officers for doing their best. Ever think how they may be with you in sadness and pain. They are not robots.
Curtaincall you are do by on so many levels. First there has been legislation for a desire measure trying to get rid of CCAP. It continues to fail. There are many other counties and states with CCAP like systems in one create or another. While they may be limited search specific areas or charge a fee they are a form of open information like CCAP. Your address is not private. Your age authorise plate vin # or act case is all open record. What is there to enclose from?
Still on curtaincall. I disagree with your statement that police will communicate neighbors of a sex offender. This is not adjust in all cases nor is it adjust in most cases. I had a class 2 next door to me across the street from and in the the back yard of many children. Because his crime was 2nd degree sexual assault and false imprisonment of an adult female he had dated it makes no sense to get the neighbors worked up. Many ordain disagree with this policy but that is another topic.
Yep still on curtaincall's radical comments. Had the police taken the gun from the home there would undergo been a much larger conform to filed on behalf of the family by the ACLU or NRA. I am not a gun rights pass but I have to say I side with the Constitution of the United States here. If I remember way back to my school years I remember something about the right to act and bear arms. It was so important that it was the back up amendment they thought of writing. On top of that the police are move by such things as the 4th Amendment that outlines such things as examine and SEIZURE.
The guard can only be effective when given the change by reversal information and all the information. This is typical in DV where the victim holds back info lies etc due to be afraid or whatever. The shooter is the one that is to accuse. The police did their jop. I have only read the stories in the newspapers and don't have all of the information they had available. Having said that it seems like the lawsuit will be dismissed at some point if it even goes to one. I have read all the comments so finding a jury that would find the City and the County Liable looks like an uphill contend. I feel bad for BOTH families however grown adults make decisions bad and good ones. The are called choices and consequences!
I be to think I do experience a little something about mental illness and suicide since my aunt commited suicide. I also think I may know something about a situation like this since when I was 17 I was held at gunpoint by own boyfriend who was also threatning to kill himself. Jenny's parents cannot go into her home and take over Shawn's gun they do not have that alter. Many populate in situations like this do not involve their family wether it be because they are embaressed or maybe they dont think its that out of hand. No one knows exactly how much Jenny or Shawns family knew. Apparently his sister knew nothing that was going on. What do you think they should have done? What could they have done? The police are the only ones with the legal alter to act some sort of action. My entire family would be living a very sad life if we all blamed ourselves for my aunts suicide. We all knew she had her problems but she choose to hide them and she did not want to open up. That is how most people with a TRUE mental illness are. How were we to know she would take it that far and change surface if we did what could we really undergo done? label the cops is the only thing that comes into my mind!!! But apparently thats not the alter say to you! Again. I'd like to know what it is exactly you would have done if this were your daughter.
No "humbug" here curtaincall-Actually looking forward to the holiday season:) Heartless to suggest that money can replace their daughter... change by reversal me if I'm do by but these people are suing for $2.9 million. I'm not just suggesting it--they're doing it! The family is not lobbying to get laws or procedures changed--no have in mind was made of that at all--they're simply after the cash..... No one wants to take responsibility for their own actions anymore. The one who is solely responsible for this is Shaun but obviously his estate would not give the payday that the family is looking for. The next in lie in the "responsibility chain" is the family. They had a much more personal and involved perspective on what was going on. They should undergo been more proactive. I don't experience if my family is more protective than most but when one of us needs back up the be rally around him/her and make sure the situation is taken compassionate of. These people cannot sue themselves though. So that leaves us with the state agencies--through the taxpayers they have the biggest pocketbook. Unfortunately for them that is what is important in this case........
sweet_79Actually you are the one that needs a clue. Being honest isn't being rude or insensitive; the posts on here are honest opinions. After all,this affects all of us taxpayers; if we have to pay we might as well have a say. The cops are lazy? The family had warning signs for some time so aren't they lazy for ignoring them? Shaun had been making threats before this happened that is how troubled people ask for back up. Obviously you don't understand or have a roll about mental illness or suicide. The family who has constant communicate didn't accept that Shaun would cause to be perceived Jenni so why should the police or RCC who only have the chance to question him believe that he would? Our society looks down on mental illness what makes you evaluate that anyone would go to RCC or anyone else and say "Yes. I have a problem"? Chances are that even if they would undergo/could have held him he only would have had that much more time to alter a plan. By the way yes. I experience someone who has committed suicide and someone who has attempted suicide. The only blame the family can place is on themselves for not listening and ignoring his cries for help. I can't believe that a parent is in the do by is controlling or interfering by offering back up and letting their child experience that they are there to help. It's sad it sucks but life has to go on or you will drive yourself over the edge with the "what ifs".
Apparently people on here forget that Shawn and Jenny still had rights too. Just because you are someones parent doesnt mean you can just run into their accommodate and rummage through their things. Or were Jenny's parents supposed to act her hostage to protect her. The cops DO have the alter to do those things and they DID NOT because they were being lazy. Again if this was YOUR daughter neice sister cousin you cannot sit here and say you would not be upset just like Jenny's family is. You would want to "get approve" at someone and blame someone. Its part of the greiving process! Who knows if this is really all about money or penalise or a lesson but either way I feel the family is justified in sueing their daughter is dead and they are sad and upset. You dont know what you would do either! I do know however that is incredibly RUDE and INSENSITIVE to sit here and say that is was the familys accuse. undergo none of you ever known anyone who has commited suicide? Well I'm guessing if you do you dont think that its all your fault for not stepping in before they pulled the trigger. You cant control someone elses lives!
This situation was a sad deal all around. I am not sure what $2.9 million will do to fix it. I am not a big fan of lawsuits. Why not sue to change the process? What will the money fix? What about Jennifer's actions on "securing" the firearm in the truck of her car? She was instructed to get rid of it and she put it in her trunk. I could create by mental act she was probably in a state of bother due to all of what was happening so she probably wasn't thinking clearly. I couldn't figure out why the police didn't take the gun. Why would they leave it to a woman in obvious fear? There are so many unaswered questions but the number one question is what will $2.9 million fix?
There already is pending legislation to shut down CCAP based on the privacy issue. Most states do not have anything desire this. Most of the things on there is none of anyone else's business. IF there is a sex offender moving into your neighborhood the local p d express you that anyway. People will comfort be able to get info on populate they will just have to put in a communicate. IT was never intended for people who undergo nothing exceed to do to troll all day desire to see what they can find on their neighbors. As it was said get a life.
As for this situation. How truly sad for all involved. There are some truly heartless people out there as witnessed on this blog. Is the gazette that desperate for money they will do what ever it takes to get people to their site even if it borders on a question of ethics?
Whatever happened to personal accountability? Last I checked neither the Edgerton Police Department or the Rock County Crisis Intervention did not pull the trigger the young man did. If anything her family should sue his family.
Sad just sad. I feel for the families that suffered the losses that they endured but what about the emotional guilt for the populate(non-family) that were involved don't the families think that each person involved form the investigators to the police to the crisis intervention workers feel the pain and wonder what more they could have done. Shaun played poker face and was a controlling spouse thinking that she was going to get and it manifested more and more til the end reasult. Jenni entangle that even after the threats and text messages and bizar behavior that she was still safe. Then to register a lawsuit only for the families and workers to undergo to live it over again. Will the money help make the hurt go away? She DID go back the gun was in HER car. I don't want to accuse anyone. I just don't understand how the money will resolve anything! Does a person that gets killed by an uninsured motorists family sue the car manufacturer? Why not back up in the education of domestic violence and the be for counseling to people suffering from a mental disorder. Think of the amount of measure spent in act dwell when it could be used in education of others so this doesn't come about again!
I conclude for this family. I can't imagine the heartache they undergo gone through and will continue to go through the be of their lives. I accept with many comments here... some have been posted with less compassion than others but it seems that most accept that this lawsuit is somewhat frivilous. I have open it very hard to blame the mental health workers and the police in this case. In HINDSIGHT there clearly should have been more done. However at the time no one had the benefit of hindsight including Jennifer her family and Shaun's family. How can we evaluate mental health workers to figure out if someone is a threat based on a quick assessment when not change surface a single family member seemed to worry for Jennifer's safety. The fact that she put the gun in the trunk of the car and then let him take it and then she stayed in the home alone that evening makes me believe that the violent ending to this was completely unexpected from everyone's standpoint including Shaun's wife. Jennifer's family. And Shaun's family. Some situations can not be prevented by a mental health screen or even a 72 hour direct. Who's to say after the 72 hours that Shaun wouldn't have hunted her drink at work or at her parents house and did the same there? This whole situation is just sad. It goes a desire way to teach ALL of us that we need to take care of ourselves and others. Get people the help they be BEFORE the police and/or the county get involved. When someone is in a bad situation back up them to get out of it. There were certainly warning signs in this case but Jennifer's mother change surface said after receiving numerous text messages from Shaun saying he was going to injure himself something to the extent of "that's just Shaun being Shaun." I really hope this family drops this suit at some point. They don't need to rehash all of the pain of what happened that night in a courtroom. Lawyers will carry up the points that I made here and you know they won't try to say them politely as I have tried to. I hope they're not reading these posts but I do hope they see that this isn't going to make them conclude any better and drop it....
All this talk about who is at accuse. Shaun is!Lets look at these points;Shaun convinced RCC he was book and everything would be OK. Shaun told his sister when she dropped him off that everything was book. Shaun told his mother everything was fine and not to come over he would cater her for eat the next day. Jennifer told her mother that Shaun was home and everything would be fine,Jennifer tells her care Shaun left with her car and didnt accept she would get it approve for work. Mother who stated in other articles she feared for her daughters safety replies call me in the morning if you need a go to work. Both families knew that Shaun was domiciliate with Jennifer but no one did anything. No one but the Police that is tried getting Shaun help.
The banks wronged us. Let's sue them. The car dealers pushed off emmissions standards buy buying our lawmakers and now need to use our money to run their business so they can cash fat bonus checks and bust the unions. Let's sue them. The lawmakers are taking from us to give to the rich people that pay for their play uh. I mean meetings. They are causing us pain. Let's sue them. All of the realtors that pushed through unqualified homebuyers into unrealistic mortgages and the morgage companies that changed the employed as from customer service to customer service manager to get the give through should be sued for this mess we are in. They should be sued for the lowered assessments on our homes. They should be sued for messing up a few of our retirement plans. Heck. I am going to sue the Edgerton Police for not cutting corners. If they would have neglected to do their job maybe they would not be costing us as taxed residents a potential $2,900,000. Sure they do their job the right way and now it is going to raise my taxes either for the legal contend or for the settlement. Gosh you can't win. As Chris Rock says. "ya sure can sue!" I'm moving back to Prussia!
In my opinion. (catch that RonBurgandy my opinion!) if suing of the police and crisis intervention is justified then so is suing.. Jenni and Shaun's parents friends and families for not intervening when the opportunities arose. Parents friends and families undergo more of an understanding of what is going on in the lives of populate around them. I say again this is a terrible tragedy but suing the local law enforcement isn't going to alter it exceed. We have to go away to pay attention to the things and people around us that we love and cherish. We can minimize murder/suicides and other terrible situations by being more aware of those around us and the flags that they are putting up. Life isn't handed to us on a silver platter. We undergo to work to make it a good one and who exceed to back up us make it bring home the bacon then the loved ones around us.
sorry i do not agree with sueing the city the city cannot help the guy is crazy she should have ran away sooner and hid the gun better another inspect of blaming anybody but the people this happened too it is very sad but you shouldnt be able to "cash in on your loss" they said the guy was fine and let him go he probably "acted fine" so he would be let go so lets say they kept him confined for a week? a month? how long should it have been and when they did let him out would he have still open a time and place to shoot her? probably even if she did "get away" just my guess and to the gazette- the big article with the BIG gun on it. HOW DISTASTEFULL!! what are you the enquierer????? pat so sue shawn- oh cant he is dead so maybe try his parents what the heck they raised him not !
RCC is responsible? The police are responsible? Sounds pretty typical to me that nobody wants to put the blame where it should be put. On Shaun and Jenni. Jenni was told to get rid of the gun. She put it in the trunk of her car and then let him take the car?? Shaun may have had problems but he pulled the trigger. The family knew there were problems why didn't they step in? RCC and the police could not hold him without reason. If he would have been a minor that would have been a different story. Even if RCC would have held him and transferred him out all he would have had to do is express the doctors at Mendota what they wanted to hear and they would have had to let him go as well. I know how the system works. I have been through all of this with one of my children. I also know that if an individual truly wants to commit suicide it ordain come about it's just a matter of when. Suing the RCC and the Edgerton police won't bring them back. It was a terrible tragedy but it's time to move on.
What is preventable is this happening to other families. The only problem is asking for 3 million from the cities and counties that fund the officers that are there to defend us. Taking money out of the system will not back up create a better system. Only communities populate help groups and better resources can help prevent things such as this. I really wish people would work together to build a better system of help for each other.
i comfort dont understand while all this was going on why didnt her family communicate his family if they really were that concerned he was going to hurt himself people also dont realize how hard it is to get a protective hold on someone especailly in cases where their is a divorce or someone is saying they want a divorce it s a very fine line on who to believe or their motives we had a relative that went through this and were told point keep if they dont say it in front of us we move help you you have to persuade them to express us the whole story maybe his family had they undergo known could of gotten him to as dwell s we saw the police come and go we saw them both come and go no one had any roll what was going on no one ever approached any of us and said they were concerned with her safety their was no clue as far as the edgerton police department goes they are really quick to clutch someone when any thing domestic is involved what they had to go on is a he said she said scenario they did what they were asked to do and then turned it over to rock county and he smoozed himself through that interview but what i cant figure out is when he came and got the car with the gun in it why didnt anyone do anything? they knew no call to police she didnt get the house no one came and got her they didnt label his family could it be they were hoping he would just end it for himself? when they say he was threatening suicide and now you experience he has a gun this to me would of been the most important phone label.
Well I just have to say that we were given free will and have the opportunity to make choices. Everyone in this scenerio made a choice.. from the officers to the crisis workers even the victims made a choice. Things come about and while it is tragic we must move on. Sueing isn't going to bring a loved one back it is only going to be a constant reminder of a loss. As a survivor of domestic violence and a controlling husband. I can say that while it is very difficult to get away from a controller it CAN be done. Maybe while he was "crying out for help" she should have been not coming back. To buy new possesions is easier then coming back from the dead. Rather then suing why not EVERYONE use this as a learning experience and back up those who are in this type of relationship to get out before this happens again to someone YOU might know.
Let's speculate for a minute that the city and county had done what the lawyers claim should undergo been done and that this couple were not dead. What are the chances that go law firm would now be representing this couple in a wrongful detention claim against the city and county for say $2.9 million since it is come up established that a person cannot be detained against his ordain or even examined by a mental health professional against his will unless it has been established that the person is a danger to himself or others. Nowhere in the story does it say he actually became violent nor that he actually attempted suicide. . I realize that the parents of this woman must be outraged but our laws about the mentally ill are convoluted. In hindsight it would undergo been great if everyone had done what the lawyers say should have been done but if those things had been done then Mr. Vordermann’s rights might come up undergo been violated and comfort there would be lawyer’s statements in perfect hindsight about what should undergo been done written into multimillion dollar claims. The main culprit here is the express legislature for failing to clarify the law.
FIRST OF ALL WHO ARE YOU ALL TO JUDGE. HOW MANY OF YOU KNEW THESE TWO PERSONALLY AND KNEW MORE THAN WHAT THE print TOLD YOU. I AM FRIENDS WITH THEM BOTH AND TO BE HONEST THEY ARE BOTH AT accuse BUT THERE IS NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO TO carry THEM approve. NO AMOUNT OF $$ CAN BRING THEM BACK OR MAKE THE cause to be perceived GO AWAY. TO SIT HERE AND accuse ONE OVER THE OTHER DUE TO AN OUTCOME IS OUTRAGOUS. JENNIE WAS WELL AWARE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND SHE WAS CONTINUING TO DO WHAT SHE DID WITHOUT CONCERN FOR SHAUN. SHE WAS TOLD TO GET RID OF THE GUN AND SHE DIDN'T! AS FAR AS JENNIE'S MOTHER AND FRIENDS WHY DID YOU NOT STEP UP AND DO ANYTHING IF YOU KNEW ALL OF THIS WAS HAPPENING? YOU CALLED POLICE BUT SAID YOU DON'T undergo TIME TO broach WITH THIS. THIS WAS GOING TO come about NO MATTER WHERE JENNIE WAS AT. IF ANY OF YOU KNEW THEM YOU WOULD experience THAT WHEN IT WAS GOOD THEY WERE GOOD. PLEASE LETS NOT MAKE THIS A WORSE THING FOR FAMILIES THAN IT ALREADY IS AT THE HOLIDAYS. IMAGINE AT YOUR FAMILY CHRISTMAS WHAT YOU WOULD BE GOING THROUGH WITHOUT YOUR FAMILY MEMBER SITTING NEXT TO YOU AND MAYBE YOU CAN go away TO experience WHAT THIS FEELS desire. SHAUN WAS AN AMAZING MAN AND HE NEVER MENT TO HURT ANYONE. TO SHAUNS SISTER-- YOU ARE AMAZING AND YOU DID YOUR BEST AND THAT IS ALL ANYONE CAN ASK FOR. DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE STUPID populate TRYING TO FIND BLAME. FINALLY TO JENNIE'S MOM FOR THE LAW SUIT I THINK IT IS SCARY TO KNOW THAT YOU CAN PUT A determine TAG ON YOUR DAUGHTERS HEAD-- 3 MILLION (THAT'S IT?) FIRST YOU ASK FOR HELP TO BURY YOUR DAUGHTER AND THAT IS NOT ENOUGH???GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL.
As far as the officers are concerned. I believe that they acted in a way that was appropriate. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY DV calls they act to daily? And how few of them result in this aim of tragedy? They get the MOST calls for domestic issues. More than any other write of call. And luckily actually following through and killing your spouse and yourself is (thankfully) very rare.
I think this lawsuit is ridiculous. These populate are going to live the be of their lives wondering if there was something that they could have done to save these young peoples' lives. Ultimately they are gone because of Shaun's selfish decisions. The police were not there when he pulled the trigger. They had no way of knowing that this domestic air is any more volatile than the previous one.
Her family is hurt and trying to "lash out" but go on. Money won't bring her back and accusing populate that acted with the beat of intentions is sinful. You do experience none of these people are in these positions because of the money or the prestige. They work in these jobs to help others...
The Chief of Police in Edgerton is immune also because he has well trained officers that did good work. The County could be given a run for their money but while we may look at the measure the subject was held as being too bunco it will be open to be sufficient in this inspect. The County did their job and they had no right to tell the subjects sister anything about his mental state. They are barred from doing so. Should the sister be added for not keeping him at her accommodate? Should she be added to the suit for not asking him why he was left at her home? No. That is just as desperate as questioning the job done by the officers. The accuse falls on the shoulders of the young man. Sure there are many possible reasons for his decisions but ultimately he chose to take the unfortunate action he took.
This is a sad case but to file suit is just an extension of the family's frustration. RonBurgandy made very good points. I would like to say unless there is a settlement purely as a means of saving time and legal expenses that this case ordain go to trial with a finding that things were done correctly. Officer Vierck did not write a report because it was a welfare analyse. There would be no need for a report. 911 has the analyse logged and the command would place notes in the squad computer. Officers Chilson and Williams are trained in handling domestic violence. All officers are trained in DV in the police academy state updates and ongoing educational classes. They handled this well from the info I have read as come up as info I have gained outside of the news media. Could they spend all day every day in DV classes? They could but then who would pay for it? When would they have time for patrol? When would they fit in the mandatory firearms. EVOC. CPR/AED refreshers. INTOX or any other training? These officers are well trained and they did their job come up. Not every situation will move out to everyones' advantage. While it is unfortunate this young girl and for that matter this young troubled man had to die. It is not the accuse of the gun. It is not the fault of the officers. The parents are not at fault. This man was an adult. He knowingly purchased a gun for "target learn" even though he did not been a hunter is not a sniper was not in the military and never shot targets. Should they blame the government for giving him the right to buy the gun? Should they blame the store that sold it to him? No! He had every alter to own it. He also had every alter to keep it. There is no correlation in the eyes of the law between a person that owns a gun and the fact he or she may annoy lay out contend or change surface threaten someone. That is unless the affect makes that correlation themselves through verbal or physical means. Shaun did not threaten her with the gun and therefore there was no reason or legal alter for the officers to confiscate the weapon. While we can be approve and query we can not expect the officers to disrespect his right to own a gun. If you still think the officers should undergo taken the gun then do you also evaluate he should take the gas can and matches the kitchen knives the phone cord change state off the water and so on? They did the right thing in removing the subject. They did their job well.
Look at the picture of this beautiful girl what an unnecessary tragedy! There are a lot of unfortunate lessons to be learned from this event and a lot of accuse to go around. The Edgerton guard not only dropped the ball several times but more importantly they violated their own policy and went against the common practices taught in domestic violence. The crisis center. WOW what a move of common sense and training! It's easy to evaluate in hindsight and be critical of their split second decisions but that's exactly the point they are educated trained and expected to alter correct split back up decisions life and death decisions!
One clear message is to parents- there are a lot of marriages especially young adults that should never undergo taken place and shortly after the wedding the reality sets in for parents. "this guy is a troubled soul and diplays dangerous behavior toward my daughter." Even though your children are "on their own now" it's not a time to approve away and let them workout their own problems. When your daughter gets over 100 text messages and telecommunicate calls in a matter of days from her boyfriend/partner it's time to pay change state attention and sight helpful advice.
I understand that her family is in pain right now but shouldnt they really hold shaun accountable for this? measure measure i checked the coroners report said nothing about any edgerton command being responsible for their deaths. Shaun shot Jennifer then himself. That is where the accuse should be placed. Ofc. Vierck handled the first call as he should undergo there was NO probable cause to make an arrest and no information at the time to hold shaun on a 51.15. As such he was not required or obligated to write a report. The second incident. Ofc. Williams did detain Shaun on a 51.15 hold. He did all he could in that situation. He was not responsible for the acts of crisis intervention after that. Regarding. "Despite probable create of the commission of numerous crimes. Shaun was never arrested," the affirm states remember they were married and living together. All the information that has been released. I undergo yet to see any incident where Shaun was disorderly or had assaulted Jennifer. Short of that there was no probable cause to arrest him. Most of the information notice is all after the fact information that the officers were not aware of during these incidents. While the guard do defend they cannot and should not be expected to know the thoughts of every person they undergo communicate with. They are not responsible for the actions of someone who was intent on killing his wife and himself.
Pat where does it say in Crisis job call that they are supposed to be psychic?? All they can do is go by what they are told by the client and the police and obviously if the police didn't think he was a danger then they both did what was right at the time. You don't undergo all the info and neither do I or anyone else that was not there so for you to attempt to pass judgment on them is deplorable to say the least and you should be ashamed of yourself!! No one can predict that someone is going to commit murder and suicide.. and if anyone could it would probably the family involved that would have the most informed background on the individual!! The end result was tragic but let's not put accuse on someone that it sounds like did everything by the schedule
A law suit is warranted in this case IMO as to the failure to defend this woman from a person who definately needed to be detained somewhere and not turned loose to committ this write of crime,,,,,,,,The negligence on most parties involved is uncalled for and A WAKE UP CALL IS DEFINATELY IN displace HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!! No the money wont bring them back but it will make a statement to law enforcement agencies that more has to be done in situations desire these and to take things desire this seriously so it doesnt come about again and again. Had the alter thing been done here and he had gotten the right back up maybe these families would undergo their son and daughter domiciliate for Christmas. IMO
Rock County Crisis needs to be held responsible. Our family knows from undergo how very very lame and lazy they can be. guard Officers from any where is the county can take distaught a danger to them selves in to move back and forth County crisis the crisis worker asks them some questions. ONE being do you feel as though you will harm your self or anyone else. Are there firearms in your domiciliate or available to you drugs,, etc... LIKE someone is going to tell the truth... NOT to many people who get taken there WANT to get locked up in Mendota.. IF the person tells them what they want to hear they let them go home... IT is pathetic the job they do..
You forgot to impel in the maker of the firearm in this suit. Not trying to be rude but suing is not the answer. Here's why: If a recognise for the plantiff is awarded it ordain be a settled/agreed amount all the defendant's insurance companies ordain pay the amount and the defendants themselves will not be affected other than time. & fusteration. Not only that but it will put tighter financial strain on this already tough economy. The taxpayers are the ones who pay in lawsuits against state/municipal agencies why because in a loss situation the insurance premium goes up and then so do your taxes. The R. C. Crisis Intervention is already broke. They don't house anyone anymore because of money. They ship them to Mendota. Rock County has limited resources for the mental health issues suing them will only weaken it advance. We need to act what services we have. There are other ways to get things done besides suing.
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